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raising taxes. but also he did it in a way that grew the economy and the nation prospered and the debt became no big deal and then the debt was gone and the debt clocks that were supposed to be scary got shut off. that was because of prioritizing economic growth and being willing to raise revenues. look when we started growing again after the recession. it was not long after the stimulus kicked in. the government spent money and the economy grew. that's how it works. that's why it used to be a beltway consensus when the economy needed to e grow, you needed economic stimulus in terms of your fiscal policy. now the discussion about how we need to make sure we contract the economy and cause as much pain as possible to the people who will be hurt the most by that contracting, maybe that makes sense on sunday morning, but the rest of us go to work during the week and sometimes we go to parties. right now as we speak, here's the scene in washington. at the white house, which bo obama has shown us what it
raising taxes. but also he did it in a way that grew the economy and the nation prospered and the debt became no big deal and then the debt was gone and the debt clocks that were supposed to be scary got shut off. that was because of prioritizing economic growth and being willing to raise revenues. look when we started growing again after the recession. it was not long after the stimulus kicked in. the government spent money and the economy grew. that's how it works. that's why it used to be a...
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a good plan would be less taxes going up than more taxes going up. at this point, even a bad plan might be better than no plan. >> austin, it's clear from this jobs report the economy is stuck in second gear. what's it going to take to get to a higher gear right now, do you think? >> i think we got to get the growth rate up in the economy. certainly europe's not any help. what's happening in china and japan is not any help. then you add on top of it what's coming out of washington. i don't think you should get your hopes up about figuring it out before the end of this year. i think there's a pretty deept chance we go over the cliff and then try to sort it out in the beginning of the year. >> lovely. >> joe, when did 146,000 jobs become good? have we become so pessimistic -- have our expectations come so low we're cheering 146,000 when we should be well over 200? >> plus the downward revisions for the previous two months. >> although, those revisions were almost all in government. mandy makes a good point. 150,000 a month, which has been the average o
a good plan would be less taxes going up than more taxes going up. at this point, even a bad plan might be better than no plan. >> austin, it's clear from this jobs report the economy is stuck in second gear. what's it going to take to get to a higher gear right now, do you think? >> i think we got to get the growth rate up in the economy. certainly europe's not any help. what's happening in china and japan is not any help. then you add on top of it what's coming out of washington....
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last year the payroll tax cut, that got extended, scott, on december 23rd. this is going to go right down to december 21st in avoiding the fiscal cliff. don't think anything differently. >> today one of the streets most bullish market watchers is is making a pretty bold prediction saying the s&p 500 is going to rally 17% by the end of next year. tony dwire joins us now. good to have you. >> thanks. >> i'm wondering how you're dealing with your predictions and your forecasting on the markets when you have such gyrations due to what's going on with the fiscal cliff. >> well, truthfully, you know, hopefully what makes me a little bit different on the street, i really try not to guess. what they're going to say, it's impossible. what i fall back to is what's the tactical outlook? we had a nice 5% move off of that low. our view is you've always retested that kind of intermediate term low. we're looking for a little pullback. ultima ultimately, don't fight the fed and don't fight the tape. when i talk to people, you kind of think about it. why isn't it follow the
last year the payroll tax cut, that got extended, scott, on december 23rd. this is going to go right down to december 21st in avoiding the fiscal cliff. don't think anything differently. >> today one of the streets most bullish market watchers is is making a pretty bold prediction saying the s&p 500 is going to rally 17% by the end of next year. tony dwire joins us now. good to have you. >> thanks. >> i'm wondering how you're dealing with your predictions and your...
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taxes, you have been paid sales taxes or hidden taxes, so in the end in big states, people will be paying 60 -- a minimum of 60 cents of every dollar they make to the government. and i ask you, after every american is finished paying their fair share, how much of every dollar should they be allowed to keep, juan? and i want a direct answer. don't dodge, don't duck. what is fair? >> i don't duck. i always am straight with you, sean because i think you deserve an honest answer. number one, we are talking about federal taxation. if you want to have a argument with your county or city government, new york city and westchester county or long island go have it. >> you are not answering. >> but if you are talking about federal tax, right i'm saying to you i between between 35 and 39 is totally good. >> but that's not addressing it. wait a second. this is not a small issue. after somebody pace their federal, their state, their social security, their property, their car tax, their sales tax, after they are done giving the government their fair share, state, local, federal, what is fair? give me a
taxes, you have been paid sales taxes or hidden taxes, so in the end in big states, people will be paying 60 -- a minimum of 60 cents of every dollar they make to the government. and i ask you, after every american is finished paying their fair share, how much of every dollar should they be allowed to keep, juan? and i want a direct answer. don't dodge, don't duck. what is fair? >> i don't duck. i always am straight with you, sean because i think you deserve an honest answer. number one,...
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obama travels to suburban philadelphia tomorrow, pressing to raise taxes on top earners, but keep tax cuts for everyone else. wall street initially fell after house speaker boehner said there'd been no progress on a fiscal cliff deal. but stocks rose later, on news that the economy grew at an annual rate of 2.7% in the third quarter. the dow jones industrial average gained more than 36 points to close well above 13,021. the nasdaq rose 20 points to close at 3,012. the united nations general assembly voted today to recognize palestine as a non- member observer state. the tally was 138 to nine, with 41 abstentions. the u.s. voted no. it came after palestinian president mahmoud abbas appealed to the world body to issue the birth certificate of palestine. >> we did not come here seeking to delegitimize a state established years ago, and that is israel. rather, we came to affirm the legitimacy of a state that must now achieve its independence, and this is palestine. >> sreenivasan: palestinians said the vote would strengthen their hand in future peace talks with israel. but the israeli amb
obama travels to suburban philadelphia tomorrow, pressing to raise taxes on top earners, but keep tax cuts for everyone else. wall street initially fell after house speaker boehner said there'd been no progress on a fiscal cliff deal. but stocks rose later, on news that the economy grew at an annual rate of 2.7% in the third quarter. the dow jones industrial average gained more than 36 points to close well above 13,021. the nasdaq rose 20 points to close at 3,012. the united nations general...
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tax rate which is now 35%. but i do think that you know, some republicans have floated the idea perhaps of being okay with races tax on his investment income. i think the president in his past budget definitely talked about that. and i think that in a way although so much of the focus is on raising the marginal tax rates, you know, the way that we typically think of individual income be taxed marginal tax rates and races the tacks on those is really an effective way to tax the wealthy. because the well identity disproportionately benefit from those type of low rates. >> jennifer: for sure. and, of course, we know that once they go over the fiscal cliff and those that -- that cap cal gains rate goes back to the clinton era it will be a 20% rate anyway. one way or another it's going to up. that's all i am saying. nancy took cook, thank you so much from the national journal thank you for join is us inside the war room. coming up, the car room is is not in the prediction business but we hear there is good money in
tax rate which is now 35%. but i do think that you know, some republicans have floated the idea perhaps of being okay with races tax on his investment income. i think the president in his past budget definitely talked about that. and i think that in a way although so much of the focus is on raising the marginal tax rates, you know, the way that we typically think of individual income be taxed marginal tax rates and races the tacks on those is really an effective way to tax the wealthy. because...
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the social security payroll tax. there is a tax increase in january. unless someone steps up and says wait a second, we are getting everyone else a tax break and let social security tax go up 2%. >> bret: winners and losers? >> bill kristol is turning in to a socialist. [ laughter ] >> family tradition. way back. >> secretary of the treasury sitting right over there. workers, champion. the winner mahmoud abbas locally because he outshone hamas on this even though the victory he won in the u.n. was pyraquan. loser speaker of the house john boehner. he offered the president a peace pipe and got in return a demand that he turned over his sword, his shirt and at the end his trousers. that is a rather embarrassing position for the speaker. >> bret: he will be asked about it on "fox news sunday" with chris wallace. that is it for the panel. but stay tuned to see one thing congress did accomplish today. victor! victor! i got your campbell's chunky soup. mom? who's mom? i'm the giants mascot. the giants don't have a mascot! ohhh! eat up! new jammin jerk chicke
the social security payroll tax. there is a tax increase in january. unless someone steps up and says wait a second, we are getting everyone else a tax break and let social security tax go up 2%. >> bret: winners and losers? >> bill kristol is turning in to a socialist. [ laughter ] >> family tradition. way back. >> secretary of the treasury sitting right over there. workers, champion. the winner mahmoud abbas locally because he outshone hamas on this even though the...
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no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. at chevy's year-end event, we have 11 vehicles that offer an epa-estimated 30 mpg highway or better. yeah? hey. hey. where's your suit? oh, it's casual friday. oh. [ male announcer ] chevy's giving more. now get a 2013 malibu ls for around $199 per month, plus competitive lessees can get $1,000 toward the down payment for an even better deal. >>> good morning, everybody. i'm thomas roberts. topping the agenda the new grinch that's threatening to steal christmas, the seemingly insurmountable impasse over the fiscal cliff. live the president's pr campaign taking him outside the white house but inside the beltway. you're taking a live look at the president glad handing the group of busi
no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. at chevy's year-end event, we have 11 vehicles that offer an epa-estimated 30 mpg highway or...
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own taxes. it's a sham and they ought to be rolled out of town if people understand what they were talking about. >> if people are worried about how they're going to take care of the homeless, how schools will be able to accommodate 30 kids in the class rom how people will be able to make ends meet when unemployment disappears. they can't be here. they can't afford it. they come here and write it off in their taxes, $20 million a year ceos from these corporations, and continue to spread the hysteria and--and if their plan goes through, the austerity plan, they and their company and their bonuses are actually the only thing that is going to improve in this economy. >> eliot: as they have over the past couple of years. income disparity is worse and worse and incomes are going up. lloyd blankfein telling people that they people should not expect to work for 25 years and then retire for 30. i don't think he understands what social security is all about. >>> the hispanic caucus said no today on a rep
own taxes. it's a sham and they ought to be rolled out of town if people understand what they were talking about. >> if people are worried about how they're going to take care of the homeless, how schools will be able to accommodate 30 kids in the class rom how people will be able to make ends meet when unemployment disappears. they can't be here. they can't afford it. they come here and write it off in their taxes, $20 million a year ceos from these corporations, and continue to spread...
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first, when i was there, it was the president who had made the no tax pledge. president bush the first, as you'll recall, made a very famous no tax pledge which he eventually backed off of. in this case, it's the congress. the republicans of the congress specifically, who have made the tax pledge, and the president who is trying to get them to break it. secondly, the numbers are very much reflecting the passage of time. we were very concerned because we thought the budget was going to be -- the deficit was going to be about $150 billion. that shocked everyone into action. then, unlike now, there remains some degree of bipartisanship. there was comity, there was discussion, even as we battled over the budget, we worked together in a bipartisan way on many other issues. you didn't have the total polarization that you have today. >> i mean, when you were elected senate majority leader, i understand one of the first people that you called was the minority leader, senator dole. >> that's right. i called him right away, i went to see him almost immediately, and i sai
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taxes will go up. democrats proposes a bill that cuts taxes on the middle class. the republicans don't dare vote it down. we'll have gotten the higher taxes on the wealthy through this back door route. tim geithner is right. you cannot have a seer imrus plan unless those tax rates on the wealthy go up. >> ifill: the president is... hassles proposedded something that john boehner calls silliness or secretary geithner actually did which is taking thed why of the debt ceiling off of congress' plate. something which members of congress seem to think at least is a no starter. what is the value in putting that out there? >> well again it needs to be said. this is crazy. the way that the debt ceiling works is that congress can actually vote to not tax enough to pay for the spending it proposes and then it can refuse to allow the government to borrow the money to make up the difference between its own spending bills and its own tax bills. this is crazy. this is a license for continual irresponsibility. and of course we're heading for... the republicans are attempting to d
taxes will go up. democrats proposes a bill that cuts taxes on the middle class. the republicans don't dare vote it down. we'll have gotten the higher taxes on the wealthy through this back door route. tim geithner is right. you cannot have a seer imrus plan unless those tax rates on the wealthy go up. >> ifill: the president is... hassles proposedded something that john boehner calls silliness or secretary geithner actually did which is taking thed why of the debt ceiling off of...
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tax increases. after that, ezra klein breaks down the offer and we will discuss today's pow wow between state governors and president obama and what it pore tends for the 21 million americans hoping for health care and "the new york times" frank bruney weighs in on doma and cage for marriage equality when "now" starts in just three minutes. n't my daughs black bean soup spectacular? [ man thinking ] oh, this gas. those antacids aren't working. oh no, not that, not here! [ male announcer ] antacids don't relieve gas. gas-x is designed to relieve gas. gas-x. the gas xperts. gas-x is designed to relieve gas. when you lost the thing you can't believe you lost.. when what you just bought, just broke. or when you have a little trouble a long way from home... as an american express cardmember you can expect some help. but what you might not expect, is you can get all this with a prepaid card. spends like cash. feels like membership. ♪ but the fire is so delightful ♪ nothing melts away the cold like a h
tax increases. after that, ezra klein breaks down the offer and we will discuss today's pow wow between state governors and president obama and what it pore tends for the 21 million americans hoping for health care and "the new york times" frank bruney weighs in on doma and cage for marriage equality when "now" starts in just three minutes. n't my daughs black bean soup spectacular? [ man thinking ] oh, this gas. those antacids aren't working. oh no, not that, not here! [...
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um, no, just opened up some yogurt. >> we have to accompany tax reduction and tax relief for americans, also having a dollar value meal at restaurants. >> what do you think about that, the catholic church would allow someone in -- welcome someone in who denies holocaust, isn't that offensive to you? >> what are you going to do? >> i love sarah silverman and all those ladies. anyone who serves women aren't funny deserves a whack up side the head. it was a figure of speech. >> sorry. >> woah! no more figures of speech over here. just concrete language. there's lots of incredible funny women from tina fey to sarah silverman, even the sweetly violence women i work with every day. >> really? >> really? >> all right. really. anyway, i don't want to live in a world without women came medians and neither does our next guest. the author of we kill the rise of women in american comedy. welcome, my sister. >> thanks for having me. >> so you can talk about smftd special challenges that women who want to enter comedy will face? >> i think i have to look at stand up and sketch a as two different art
um, no, just opened up some yogurt. >> we have to accompany tax reduction and tax relief for americans, also having a dollar value meal at restaurants. >> what do you think about that, the catholic church would allow someone in -- welcome someone in who denies holocaust, isn't that offensive to you? >> what are you going to do? >> i love sarah silverman and all those ladies. anyone who serves women aren't funny deserves a whack up side the head. it was a figure of...
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his plan taxes $1.6 trillion of taxes. higher tax rates on people, families making more than $250,000 as well as closing loopholes, limiting deductions, raising the estate tax rate and increasing the taxes on capital gains and dividends and the plan spends nearly $200 billion. another stimulus package of 50 billion. an extension of unemployment benefits around 30 billion and an extension of the payroll tax cut estimated at about $114 billion. but the geithner plan didn't cut spending. in run for that, the president offers $400 billion of cuts and toe, john boehner basically said go fish. >> was not a serious proposal. and so, right now, we're almost nowhere. >> just when we needed someone to not say hey, mom, he was nasty. so i can be, too. boehner, like geithner, leapt to the extreme. republicans, the best response to a nonstarter could be to put a real thoughtful compromise deal on the table. an alternative and as for mr. geithner, he wasn't alone either. remember, mr. president, the promise you made during the campaign?
his plan taxes $1.6 trillion of taxes. higher tax rates on people, families making more than $250,000 as well as closing loopholes, limiting deductions, raising the estate tax rate and increasing the taxes on capital gains and dividends and the plan spends nearly $200 billion. another stimulus package of 50 billion. an extension of unemployment benefits around 30 billion and an extension of the payroll tax cut estimated at about $114 billion. but the geithner plan didn't cut spending. in run...
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democrats want high tax rates for the wealthy. the president stressed the urgency of the situation in the radio address. >> if congress does nothing. every family will see the income taxes go up in the beginning of next year. a family of four will see income taxes rise $2200. we can't let that happen. our families can't afford it and neither can our economy. >> but republicans say the president should quit his campaign mode and come home and take care of business. the latest round of political maneuvering involves pressure from democrats to schedule a vote on the senate plan to extend middle class cuts. but republicans say let's see spending cuts first. >> we need to hear they are willing to make spending cuts now. not promises in the future . the tidal waves comingalt us is social security and medicare and of course, the new health care law of the presidents which is unaffordable and unworkable. >> nancy peel peel calling on speaker boehner to bring it to the floor or she will launch a move to force a vote. boehner is not likely
democrats want high tax rates for the wealthy. the president stressed the urgency of the situation in the radio address. >> if congress does nothing. every family will see the income taxes go up in the beginning of next year. a family of four will see income taxes rise $2200. we can't let that happen. our families can't afford it and neither can our economy. >> but republicans say the president should quit his campaign mode and come home and take care of business. the latest round...
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licensed by the state and paying taxes to it. this, all while the federal government still views possessing and certainly growing, selling, and distributing marijuana as serious felonies. how's that going to work is the big question that hangs over whatever celebrations the citizens of washington might engage in tomorrow. on a side note, tomorrow is also the first day that same-sex couples will be able to get marriage licenses in washington. then on sunday, they will actually be able to tie the knot. that was another huge stage washington state voters approved in the last election. if you are betting on how this country will evolve in the next few decades in terms of politics and policy, two safe bets. marriage equality and marijuana. both of those policies go into effect tomorrow in washington. the truly fascinating thing here is that starting tomorrow, we will see an abstract debate, an abstract policy discussion that we've had for many years. should pot be legal? how might it change society? how might it improve it? we'll see
licensed by the state and paying taxes to it. this, all while the federal government still views possessing and certainly growing, selling, and distributing marijuana as serious felonies. how's that going to work is the big question that hangs over whatever celebrations the citizens of washington might engage in tomorrow. on a side note, tomorrow is also the first day that same-sex couples will be able to get marriage licenses in washington. then on sunday, they will actually be able to tie the...
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a broader tax reform. it's unclear whether we'll see that as part of the deal that happens before the so-called fiscal cliff and fiscal slope by the end of this year or in 2013, but we could see real corporate tax reform, possibly lowering in this year or next. these things can get lost in the details when folks are talking about the bush tax cuts and medicare and medicaid thinking about corporate taxes. but there is so much that could go in this deal. corporate taxes could be part of it. you would see ceos on television getting involved in this kind of stuff if there wasn't something at stake for them when it came to paying taxes and their bottom line. >> eliot: and another indicator of how far apart the parties are when you hear the debt ceiling where last year things got really angry politically as well as in the private negotiation. you have john boehner saying you are going to have to pay me a price to raise the debt ceiling. as a matter of policy they're saying you pass the tax bill. will there be a
a broader tax reform. it's unclear whether we'll see that as part of the deal that happens before the so-called fiscal cliff and fiscal slope by the end of this year or in 2013, but we could see real corporate tax reform, possibly lowering in this year or next. these things can get lost in the details when folks are talking about the bush tax cuts and medicare and medicaid thinking about corporate taxes. but there is so much that could go in this deal. corporate taxes could be part of it. you...
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the federal tax rate is currently 25%. so it will be $380 million the government gets $95 million off the top. and the winning states not too shabby either. arizona takes 5% at 9$9.5 millin and missouri stakes $7.6 millio. in the end, the two winning ticket holders end up with 25% of that original jackpot. >>> mitt romney is heading to the white house today, just not in the capacity that he hoped for three weeks ago. this afternoon he'll sit down for a private lunch with president obama. it will be the first encounter since the final presidential debate in october. the meeting fulfills an election night promise by the president to work with romney going forward. that doesn't mean the former massachusetts governor will become a regular. >> is governor romney here tomorrow in some kind of cabinet level position? >> no. >> beyond that, is there some kind of reorganization in the commerce department where governor romney could play a role? >> again, there is -- the president doesn't have a specific assignment in mind for the g
the federal tax rate is currently 25%. so it will be $380 million the government gets $95 million off the top. and the winning states not too shabby either. arizona takes 5% at 9$9.5 millin and missouri stakes $7.6 millio. in the end, the two winning ticket holders end up with 25% of that original jackpot. >>> mitt romney is heading to the white house today, just not in the capacity that he hoped for three weeks ago. this afternoon he'll sit down for a private lunch with president...
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whey too high on taxes. not nearly enough on spending reductions. >> the president has said all the way along, if i give you a dollar of revenue, if you guys give me a dollar of revenue, that's $3 trillion in spending cuts. he's coming in with 400, so would you try to get him to 3 trillion here or try to bring down the revenue number? >> well, i think you have to bring down the revenue number. we are not going to tax and spend our way back into economic prosperity in this country. we are going to have to work together. i think most americans are tired of seeing the partisanship and debates. i'm pleased the speaker's up at the white house to find a solution. most people want certainty, long-term predictability in the economy and raising taxes for this amount i think would put us back into a recession and be counterproductive to get our economy going on. >> john boehner clearly, he's the key negotiator. are you going to agree to whatever deal he brings you, if he says representative yoder, it's $1.4 trillion i
whey too high on taxes. not nearly enough on spending reductions. >> the president has said all the way along, if i give you a dollar of revenue, if you guys give me a dollar of revenue, that's $3 trillion in spending cuts. he's coming in with 400, so would you try to get him to 3 trillion here or try to bring down the revenue number? >> well, i think you have to bring down the revenue number. we are not going to tax and spend our way back into economic prosperity in this country....
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we preserved the estate tax, the tax on -- the low tax rates on dividends. look at the things we got off this proposal. you should back this. >> do you think he's even giving them cover on this because it's so extreme? >> i think he wants boehner to go back to his caucus and say this is where the president started. look at the hardball negotiating i did to get the president down from $1.6 trillion on tax hikes to $1 trillion on tax hikes. i saved $600 billion in tax hikes and that's probably the most effective if not the only way he can negotiate this bill. >> how do the republicans -- what is their next move. chuck schumer saying if house republicans consider the president's budget a new offer we await their counteroffer. the ball is in their court to state on what they would do on entitlements and taxes. they have given no specifics so far. >> that's a tough question for them. by the way, you said this reminds you of dillon going electric. i think of the scene in the god father michael corleoneny, my offer is nothing, not even the fee for the contract whic
we preserved the estate tax, the tax on -- the low tax rates on dividends. look at the things we got off this proposal. you should back this. >> do you think he's even giving them cover on this because it's so extreme? >> i think he wants boehner to go back to his caucus and say this is where the president started. look at the hardball negotiating i did to get the president down from $1.6 trillion on tax hikes to $1 trillion on tax hikes. i saved $600 billion in tax hikes and that's...
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fine, you don't want new tax rates. we're out of this. >> what we're trying to do is to get them to come together and join us and doing something that's good for the american economy, and we recognize that's going to require spending savings, not just revenue increases on the top wealthiest 2% of americans. >> and you propose the spending side. you like to see what they want? proposals on both sides. if they want to go beyond that, they should tell us what they like to do. if they want to do it differently -- >> whose turn is this? where are we in this? >> the ball really is with them now. again, they're in a hard place. they're having a tough time trying to figure out what they can do. that's understandable. this is very difficult for them. we might need more time to figure out where -- where they go next. >> we don't have a lot of time. >> you can't wait very long. what we are trying to do is be as clear as we can with what is essential to us and what we like to have and what we think is good for the american economy
fine, you don't want new tax rates. we're out of this. >> what we're trying to do is to get them to come together and join us and doing something that's good for the american economy, and we recognize that's going to require spending savings, not just revenue increases on the top wealthiest 2% of americans. >> and you propose the spending side. you like to see what they want? proposals on both sides. if they want to go beyond that, they should tell us what they like to do. if they...
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means everybody's taxes go up, but if the president has his way, taxes are going to go up on those very wealthy folks making over $200,000, but most are not very wealthy or folks, most are small businesses filing subchapter "s" companies, about 88% of net small business income will be for these taxes when we're depending on them to create two-thirds of the new jobs. boehner's trying to mitigate that mess. i wish him luck. something's going to f to have to give. >> something is going to have to give. from everybody i've talked to and from what we've heard, there two options for the country. one, go over the cliff. the other, extend the bush tax cuts for the 98% of americans. everyone who makes under $200,000 a year if they're single, $250,000 if they're a family. those seem to be the two choices. between those, which do you pick? >> but, if we do that and raise the taxes on those small businesses we were just talking about, according to the congressional budget office, that's going to mean 200,000 american families will be out of work next year. and that's the low estimate. ernst & young
means everybody's taxes go up, but if the president has his way, taxes are going to go up on those very wealthy folks making over $200,000, but most are not very wealthy or folks, most are small businesses filing subchapter "s" companies, about 88% of net small business income will be for these taxes when we're depending on them to create two-thirds of the new jobs. boehner's trying to mitigate that mess. i wish him luck. something's going to f to have to give. >> something is...
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taxes will go higher. you're also talking about the possibility of a much slower economy. and how does that impact earnings in 2013? let's say hypothetically we go off the fiscal cliff because clearly both sides are digging in. here we are at the edge once again like last summer. we go off the fiscal cliff. 2013 comes. we go into recession. doesn't that hit corporate earnings, which, of course, has been the best part of this recovery anywhere? >> there's no question about that. i would contend that the market has probably already factored most of that in. when you can buy a number of stocks -- in the hodges small cap fund, we have a number of stocks trading below their growth rate. that's telling you that the market is not expecting good growth. when you can buy stocks that are growing at 20% a year at ten times earnings, that's a good valuation. there are a number of those situations there that we're seeing left and right. >> got to go, guys. >> okay. >> sorry, jeff. you know how that works. you guys on t
taxes will go higher. you're also talking about the possibility of a much slower economy. and how does that impact earnings in 2013? let's say hypothetically we go off the fiscal cliff because clearly both sides are digging in. here we are at the edge once again like last summer. we go off the fiscal cliff. 2013 comes. we go into recession. doesn't that hit corporate earnings, which, of course, has been the best part of this recovery anywhere? >> there's no question about that. i would...
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keep the rest of my taxes for me. schools, public safety, the roads, parks, libraries, public transportation, all went into decline. the rich people didn't care. they said everyone gets what they deserve. ordinary people wondered why rich people needed so much money. the 1% said don't worry. this is good for you, too, because it will trickle down from us to you. >> urinating on people. classy image. doesn't get much worse than that. joining me with reaction, tucker carlson and kiersten powers from the daily beast. it goes on seven minutes long, kiersten, and i thought of past pop begapropaganda. at the end of this, somebody watches this, they get indoctrinated. they really begin to believe that rich people are evil. did you get that feeling? it was that bad to me. >> it was pretty bad. i have to say even i found it offensive. >> even i, yeah. >> yeah. no. look, it goes a little too far. i think you can certainly make an argument that there are rich people that are indifferent to poor people, but i don't think that you
keep the rest of my taxes for me. schools, public safety, the roads, parks, libraries, public transportation, all went into decline. the rich people didn't care. they said everyone gets what they deserve. ordinary people wondered why rich people needed so much money. the 1% said don't worry. this is good for you, too, because it will trickle down from us to you. >> urinating on people. classy image. doesn't get much worse than that. joining me with reaction, tucker carlson and kiersten...
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because the progressive tax rates, they encourage all sorts of tax evasion tax be avoidance and you know, they alter people's behavior in order to reduce their tax liability. so you know instead of investing here, you'll invest in some other country with a lower tax rate. you've had those kind of behaviors which would be narrow and progressive tax rates. hence, the money that you raise at the end of the day is not very much. >> eliot: you raise and sharpen our focus on the other side of the equation. as i was reading the article i said wait a minute, we're focusing so much on how we raise the money rather than how and where we spend it. and how much we spend. in a way we've been sucked into this debate about making a tax system progressive without looking as you say we should at how much we spend on the social programs that actually do redistribute. >> that's right. that's what really makes a difference. if you look at how effective taxes are at reducing inequality, they're really not very effective anywhere. what's really effective is spending. because you know, you can really -- if you
because the progressive tax rates, they encourage all sorts of tax evasion tax be avoidance and you know, they alter people's behavior in order to reduce their tax liability. so you know instead of investing here, you'll invest in some other country with a lower tax rate. you've had those kind of behaviors which would be narrow and progressive tax rates. hence, the money that you raise at the end of the day is not very much. >> eliot: you raise and sharpen our focus on the other side of...
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, more tax revenue? the president responded, high-end tax cuts do the least for economic growth and cost almost $ 1 trillion. extending middle class cuts boosts consumer demand and growth. the white house released a video today showing how president obama has been consistent on his message throughout the last couple of years. it was central to his campaign. >> we need to give tax relief to working families trying to raise their kids to keep them healthy, send them to college, keep a roof over their heads. that's the choice in this election. that's one of the reasons i'm running for a second term as president. >> how quickly we forget. in the words of secretary timothy geithner, this is why republicans have no choice but accepting the tax increases on the wealthiest americans. >> why does it make sense for the country to force tax increases on all americans because a small group of republicans want to extend for 2% of americans? why does that make any sense. there's no reason why that should happen. we ca
, more tax revenue? the president responded, high-end tax cuts do the least for economic growth and cost almost $ 1 trillion. extending middle class cuts boosts consumer demand and growth. the white house released a video today showing how president obama has been consistent on his message throughout the last couple of years. it was central to his campaign. >> we need to give tax relief to working families trying to raise their kids to keep them healthy, send them to college, keep a roof...
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in the letter we know the sticking point is the tax rates. the speaker says, quote, notably the new revenue in the boles plan would not be achieved through higher tax rates, which we continue to oppose and will not agree in order to protect small businesses and our economy. instead new revenue would be generated through pro-growth tax reforms that closes special interest loopholes and deductions while lowering rates. you see in this latest proposal while they offer up pour savings by saying, look, we can tax the rich people through the $800 billion figure. we can find more savings in entitlements reforms and more savings in discretionary spending more so than the budget control act. they're still holding firm on that pledge not to raise the tax rates towards the bill clinton era. how will this play around in the white house? we don't know. this tax rate point has been a very difficult sticking point. both sides have stayed on and they continue to stay on this in their second offer. what you see is some sort of possible framework for a large s
in the letter we know the sticking point is the tax rates. the speaker says, quote, notably the new revenue in the boles plan would not be achieved through higher tax rates, which we continue to oppose and will not agree in order to protect small businesses and our economy. instead new revenue would be generated through pro-growth tax reforms that closes special interest loopholes and deductions while lowering rates. you see in this latest proposal while they offer up pour savings by saying,...
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we get taxes, will be cut. no, taxes will go up. spend willing be cut. everyone wants, almost everybody wants spending to be cut. what do you think will happen? >> let's look at wall street. what might happen to the 401(k)s or the stocks. last week, boehner said nothing is happening and stocks would plummet. somebody else would say something going on behind the scenes and stocks go up. this is tremendous volatility. this time of year we get santa claus rally, the stocks will rally until the end of the year. but if the taxes go on, on capital gains and dividends, people will start to sell now to have the better, more preferential tax treatment than afterwards. we may see selling in first of the year. >> eric: long-term, think long-term. once we get past that. what will the effect be? what if taxes on dividends go up? >> this is incredible disincentive. especially on the capital gains. to take the risk of investing. when you say long-term, long-term, if you don't need the money you invest in stock market. if you need it in the next five years don't go near
we get taxes, will be cut. no, taxes will go up. spend willing be cut. everyone wants, almost everybody wants spending to be cut. what do you think will happen? >> let's look at wall street. what might happen to the 401(k)s or the stocks. last week, boehner said nothing is happening and stocks would plummet. somebody else would say something going on behind the scenes and stocks go up. this is tremendous volatility. this time of year we get santa claus rally, the stocks will rally until...
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the fact of the matter is, our tax is a high tax state even though i did cut taxes. our unemployment rate never went much over 6.5%. it has been consistently much below the nation's unemployment rate the entire time. secondly, what you're seeing in wall street today is short-term behavior. bill clinton's tax rates, what we're going back to if we go down the fiscal slope, had no negative effect in the economy. in fact the economy was a whole lot better when bill clinton was president than it was under george bush or barack obama. so i think your case is good in the short term, not so good in the long term. i think the best way to restore confidence in wall street in the long term would be to show we're serious about the deficit. i don't think any deal they strike will be as serious about the deficit as this fiscal slope. >> i just think that era, you're right. the economy boomd especially in the mid 1990s and late 1990s. i don't think it did so well a couple years after bill clinton raised taxes. that's one of the reasons 1994 republicans had the biggest election they
the fact of the matter is, our tax is a high tax state even though i did cut taxes. our unemployment rate never went much over 6.5%. it has been consistently much below the nation's unemployment rate the entire time. secondly, what you're seeing in wall street today is short-term behavior. bill clinton's tax rates, what we're going back to if we go down the fiscal slope, had no negative effect in the economy. in fact the economy was a whole lot better when bill clinton was president than it was...
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you said, i'm all for the wealthy paying more taxes. so i'm curious, since you've said that, why the reduck tans to just raise the tax rate on the wealthy? >> it destroys growth of the very people who are going to create additional revenues in the future. >> why say you would be all for it? >> i didn't ever say -- not one timedy say i was for raising tax rates on the wealthy. i said i was for increasing the taxes that the wealthy paid. how you do it will have a major impact on the economic fortunes of this country. and if you take the vast majority of small businessmen who will be hit with an increased tax rate, you're going to markedly decrease the job creation and capital formation in this country. >> let me ask you another question, one of the things we talked about on both sides, i think it's fair to say is the lack of details. and second geithner was out trying to defend some of the details in his plan over the weekend. this letter also has very few details. i'm curious to know exactly what loopholes, what deductions would you kill
you said, i'm all for the wealthy paying more taxes. so i'm curious, since you've said that, why the reduck tans to just raise the tax rate on the wealthy? >> it destroys growth of the very people who are going to create additional revenues in the future. >> why say you would be all for it? >> i didn't ever say -- not one timedy say i was for raising tax rates on the wealthy. i said i was for increasing the taxes that the wealthy paid. how you do it will have a major impact on...
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they don't want to touch tax rates at all. and so they are left kind of jiggling around the edges with tax reform and closing loopholes and things like that. they can't afford to extend these rates and kristol is not the only republican worried about this are sort of thing. there is a persistent pr problem with the party. you know, it just lost the last election because it couldn't kind of come to terms with its insistence and it's about to go down that same pr rabbit hole again with this proposal. >> ezra, wouldn't they know that this is a pr hold that is about to go down? why would they risk this, in your opinion? >> well, think about it more broadly from a bargaining standpoint. in particular, things like the payroll tax cut and any kind of stimulus that the republicans feel that they can eventually stomach, that's a great thing for them to trade away at the end. maybe they don't hate that much but know that president obama really wants. when you're late in the negotiations, that's when they are going to begin to give thing
they don't want to touch tax rates at all. and so they are left kind of jiggling around the edges with tax reform and closing loopholes and things like that. they can't afford to extend these rates and kristol is not the only republican worried about this are sort of thing. there is a persistent pr problem with the party. you know, it just lost the last election because it couldn't kind of come to terms with its insistence and it's about to go down that same pr rabbit hole again with this...
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their payroll taxes might. their income taxes are not. and that is huge. and the truth is, from what i'm hearing, the top 2% better start making financial plans. >> there's no question about that. what's wrong with this proposal? >> look, there are parts of this proposals are reasonable. the bigger problem here is, if the president is sticking to this position, at least for the time being that he outlined last week, would be the equivalent of the republicans saying we want the ryan budget, we want marginal tax rates cut across the board 20%. i'll tell you, steve, i think he has dug in, he spent more time on the phone this week from what i understand with steve israel, chairman of the democrat chair than he did with john boehner. tell me what he's telling those hard left groups about his position and how he can walk back to something more reasonable like something that tom's for. given what he's saying with these hard left groups. >> he's trying to do something different than he's done before. which is take his message outside the beltway, outside of capito
their payroll taxes might. their income taxes are not. and that is huge. and the truth is, from what i'm hearing, the top 2% better start making financial plans. >> there's no question about that. what's wrong with this proposal? >> look, there are parts of this proposals are reasonable. the bigger problem here is, if the president is sticking to this position, at least for the time being that he outlined last week, would be the equivalent of the republicans saying we want the ryan...
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one is the bush tax cuts are expiring. we want to make sure they stay the same for 98% of the people and just those over $250,000 will go back to the clinton rates. and we had the greatest prosperity under bill clinton. and everybody knows that. 23 million jobs, balanced budgets, all the rest. it's not going to hurt anything. the second thing, the automatic spending cuts. so my view is we can climb down that cliff by doing what the president says on taxes, bringing home the money from the wars, and stopping those automatic cuts. we're off the cliff. and then we get together with goodwill, right in january with the new senate and the new house, and we hammer out the long-range solutions to all this. >> i want to you listen to something that your colleague, pattie murray, from washington state said on alex wagner's show about this fiscal cliff and her attitude toward it. i want to you react to it. >> sure. >> it's not a good idea to go over the fiscal cliff. no one wants to see that happen. it is a bad idea. but a worse idea
one is the bush tax cuts are expiring. we want to make sure they stay the same for 98% of the people and just those over $250,000 will go back to the clinton rates. and we had the greatest prosperity under bill clinton. and everybody knows that. 23 million jobs, balanced budgets, all the rest. it's not going to hurt anything. the second thing, the automatic spending cuts. so my view is we can climb down that cliff by doing what the president says on taxes, bringing home the money from the wars,...
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loopholes and lower tax rates. that's far better for the economy. >> the clock is ticking. the year is ending. it's really important with tax legislation for it to happen now. we're calling upon the republican leadership in the house to bring this legislation to the floor next week. >> arthel: let's bring in steve centanni with more. >> as you can see, the two sides are taking strong stands on principle, but aren't really getting any closer to a compromise as we speed toward that fiscal cliff. the president hit the road appearing at a pennsylvania toy factory yesterday and appealing for a balanced approach, including spending cuts and new revenues. the president says we could cut taxes for the middle class right now if congress agreed to extend the bush era tax cuts for everybody except those earning more than 250,000 a year. he stressed the urgency of the situation. >> if congress does nothing, every family will see their income taxes automatically go up at the beginning of next year. a family of four will see the
loopholes and lower tax rates. that's far better for the economy. >> the clock is ticking. the year is ending. it's really important with tax legislation for it to happen now. we're calling upon the republican leadership in the house to bring this legislation to the floor next week. >> arthel: let's bring in steve centanni with more. >> as you can see, the two sides are taking strong stands on principle, but aren't really getting any closer to a compromise as we speed toward...
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revenues this year and next year, when taxes go up, everyone will say, see, the tax hikes didn't work, we actually collected less revenue. and so the danger is we build program of this year's revenue, forecast base on this year's tax revenue and fall short next year. it could impact spending this money is not out there not generating jobs, not buying things or, you know, building things. >> got leave it there great stuff as always. thanks very much. >>> coming up next, flu fears starting early this year. why this flu season could be the worst in years. >>> and later on, iran stays shot down an american drone. the navy says no you didn't. either way, our own phil lebeau has firsthand experience with a small drone playing a big role in this latest skirmish. icans be in charge of their own future. how they'll live tomorrow. for more than 116 years, ameriprise financial has worked for their clients' futures. helping millions of americans retire on their terms. when they want. where they want. doing what they want. ameriprise. the strength of a leader in retirement planning. the heart of 1
revenues this year and next year, when taxes go up, everyone will say, see, the tax hikes didn't work, we actually collected less revenue. and so the danger is we build program of this year's revenue, forecast base on this year's tax revenue and fall short next year. it could impact spending this money is not out there not generating jobs, not buying things or, you know, building things. >> got leave it there great stuff as always. thanks very much. >>> coming up next, flu fears...
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remember, the president, two years ago, extended all of the tax cuts, including the tax cuts for top earners, on the grounds that the economy was so weak, it couldn't take the blow and the withdrawal in effect of money from the economy by doing that. so to some degree, the administration itself is evolving with changing economic circumstances. at some point, when you get in a recovery, and the administration's making the case and job numbers tell us we are recovering and other economic data do, too, you say some of the things we enacted as emergency measure during the great recession are going to either be taken away or tapered down. and that's part of the logic of including some cuts or some reduction in the extension of unemployment, food stamps and other things. >> but okay, we're going to talk about the reality of being poor in america and the next couple of block. the notion that you can start kicking people off food stamp rolls because we're in a recovery. if you look at how much money people are make, the stats, economic impact of giving a person a dollar in food stamps equals
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it's always easy for somebody to say let's tax the other guy, not me. i think part of the situation is going to be deciding revenue enhancements, whether that's closing loopholes or raising rates or as we've done in utah, grow the economy which is another way to increase revenue, and there's a debate on what cuts are going to be made and are entitlements on the table. so i expect that's going to be part of the discussion. what we're wanting to say to the congress and the president today, though, as a state, we want you to get it done. compromise ought not to be a dirty word. there ought to be the fact that the good people can come together, find common ground and keep in mind what's in the best interests of the economy of america and the taxpayer, and find a solution. putting this off and procrastination and kicking it on down the road is not an option. we as governors are saying get it done, it's going to impact our states. we're prepared to help you. we'll take less money as states. give us more flexibility, we'll fit within some parameters and we can
it's always easy for somebody to say let's tax the other guy, not me. i think part of the situation is going to be deciding revenue enhancements, whether that's closing loopholes or raising rates or as we've done in utah, grow the economy which is another way to increase revenue, and there's a debate on what cuts are going to be made and are entitlements on the table. so i expect that's going to be part of the discussion. what we're wanting to say to the congress and the president today,...
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host: the estate tax or the capital gains tax? guest: the estate tax. asset, you payn capital gains. guest: right. host: we have this comment on twitter from james. guest: corporations would say the businesses are already being taxed. folk should not be taxed for investing in their business. host: double taxation. guest: that is the argument. when people die, they are being taxed again. that is the essence of the argument against the estate tax. host: can you start over? caller: a quick question about the comments of the 401(k). i used to work for a cpa firm. i understand they are income tax deferred instruments. when you take it out, the tax you pay is income tax. the assumption is the rate would be lower. let's say the rate is 25% when you retire. that is higher than the current cap gains tax rate. ordoes not apply to 401(k)'s any other income tax deferred instrument. when you take them out, you pay taxes on them. guest: that is correct. you pay income tax and presumably when you retire, you are at a lower tax rate and that is the advantage. it is a s
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that's just a fact, david. >> people would prefer it be done through tax reform, through tax loopholes, but also let me -- >> do you explain to them that by tax loopholes you're not going to get enough revenue to do what needs to be done? >> you are going to get to the 800 billion the speaker said you were going to get to. >> no, i don't think that's right, david. >> we have, again, our economists say we can get to that 800 billion. you have an economist says that you can't get to the 1.6 trillion that the president is trying to ask for. >> and republican math said that mitt romney was going to be president. >> now, that's a different dynamic. look, if you talk to other republicans, there were some other republicans that perhaps didn't have that level of confidence there but, again, i want to go back to this point. >> real quickly, david. we're out of time here. >> the fact is, the president and tim geithner have willfully taken a position that, in fact, in terms of generating revenue that there's only one way to generate revenue and that's through raising taxes and the president has b
that's just a fact, david. >> people would prefer it be done through tax reform, through tax loopholes, but also let me -- >> do you explain to them that by tax loopholes you're not going to get enough revenue to do what needs to be done? >> you are going to get to the 800 billion the speaker said you were going to get to. >> no, i don't think that's right, david. >> we have, again, our economists say we can get to that 800 billion. you have an economist says that...
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a look at whether it makes sense to prepay your local taxes and property taxes and take a look at your investments as well gains, losses, if there are stocks you want to sell you may want to consider doing that before the end of the year. >> any capital gains tax is 15 percent. that may go up in january 2013. >> you could get walloped in 2013. >> throw out the balance of your network. >> it is a good time to do that take a look at your assets and liabilities. what's going in the door and out the door. you start chipping away at the debt. good time of year. >> common sense we always need a remiernd. >> evaluate your ints a good thing to do also. auto, life insurance disability, are you paying too much good time to comparison shop as well. >> it inches up a bit and you are paying more than you thought. >> check your credit score. >> you are entitled for a copy of your credit report annualcreditreport.com. i would check over with a fine tooth comb. they do container ors. 25 percent container ors that result in you being denied >> you have just a few weeks left to use up whatever money you
a look at whether it makes sense to prepay your local taxes and property taxes and take a look at your investments as well gains, losses, if there are stocks you want to sell you may want to consider doing that before the end of the year. >> any capital gains tax is 15 percent. that may go up in january 2013. >> you could get walloped in 2013. >> throw out the balance of your network. >> it is a good time to do that take a look at your assets and liabilities. what's...
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went to the home of one middle class family in virginia, saying if the middle class tax cuts expire when the deadline hits it will cost the family an equivalent of a month's rent. meanwhile, john boehner started the talks after a standoff that lasted almost a week. then there was the surprise that rocked the capital today. south carolina conservative, jim demint, a hero to many, is retiring next month. nbc's david gregory, the moderator of "meet the press," has more on the surprise announcement. >> reporter: about four years early, a lot of people thought it would happen by 2017, but not at this point. in his term, demint was somebody who turbo-charged the tea party movement. he told me he would like to see the party really adopt more of these tea party ideas. that really didn't happen. there were more internal fights. he did have success in fielding candidates and also failed. he said they didn't do enough to establish what the party was for. he is going to try to be a force behind the party. >> and one more, senator coburn, from texas, somebody the president has a good relationship wit
went to the home of one middle class family in virginia, saying if the middle class tax cuts expire when the deadline hits it will cost the family an equivalent of a month's rent. meanwhile, john boehner started the talks after a standoff that lasted almost a week. then there was the surprise that rocked the capital today. south carolina conservative, jim demint, a hero to many, is retiring next month. nbc's david gregory, the moderator of "meet the press," has more on the surprise...
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it's broadening the base, perhaps lowering some taxes and overhauling that tax code. he said that would destroy american jobs. as the chief executive of a major u.s. corporation, do you agree with that? >> i think it's hard to decide whether it's going to destroy a job until you know what the specifics are. i do think you need to provide incentives for people to keep growing their business, to make more money. i think a really high progressive tax rate won't do that. i do think -- if you raise the rates by a couple points, it's not going to drive everybody crazy. i think what we have to do is get the government out of this industrial policy where every time we turn around, they want something done. they pass a tax law. they get people to invest in it. then they turn around and blame you for taking advantage of the tax law. they call it incentives. then they call it loopholes. i think we have to get the government out of that part of the business. that tax code has to be changed. >> you've got to pay your fair share. >> everybody should pay their fair share. >> allstat
it's broadening the base, perhaps lowering some taxes and overhauling that tax code. he said that would destroy american jobs. as the chief executive of a major u.s. corporation, do you agree with that? >> i think it's hard to decide whether it's going to destroy a job until you know what the specifics are. i do think you need to provide incentives for people to keep growing their business, to make more money. i think a really high progressive tax rate won't do that. i do think -- if you...
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it does tend to complicate the tax code. the simplest way is simply to raise the tax rates up to the clinton levels and, you know, we do have a strong interest in simplifying the tax code. but if that's politically for difficult, there's a willingness to retain the deductions that they could utilize. >> let me ask you about that. another interesting scenario played out with mitch mcconnell, essentially fill lee bust sistering his own bill. he says it has to guarantee that there won't be another debt ceiling crisis. but could that be where we're headed? >> well, it's certainly possible. it would be a terrible outcome and i think you're hearing business leaders weigh in and say, we don't want to go through this debate only to be followed by another big fight over the debt limit. and we just can't afford every year, every 18 months to have a debate about whether we honor the full faith and credit of the u.s. government. that's no way to run the country. >> what do you think the chances of that happening? >> it's possible. one o
it does tend to complicate the tax code. the simplest way is simply to raise the tax rates up to the clinton levels and, you know, we do have a strong interest in simplifying the tax code. but if that's politically for difficult, there's a willingness to retain the deductions that they could utilize. >> let me ask you about that. another interesting scenario played out with mitch mcconnell, essentially fill lee bust sistering his own bill. he says it has to guarantee that there won't be...
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the tax cuts entime entitlement cuts. >> i'm not sure that they won't fold on the tax cuts. once again you have to step back from the observation of what's going on in washington now, and remember we're fighting whether or not the top marginal rates should be in the low 30s or not. we should roll back the reagan tax cut but i don't believe in miracles. >> eliot: charles, what you're say something critically important. we're all in a way falling prey to this issue as if they're big issues when they're not. the fact that the rate would go from 35 to 39.6, it used to be in the 90s and 70s and 60s, and capital gains will be taxed at below the rate of ordinary income. we're dealing with the most minimal of shifts and changes yet we're being sucked into the notion that this is dramatic. it's not. >> you divided the republicans in three separate camps. i would say that the difference between the theological theocrats and the tee tea party is minimal. to a certain extent the policies that plays out with the theocrats is economics. four republicans have become identity politics. they
the tax cuts entime entitlement cuts. >> i'm not sure that they won't fold on the tax cuts. once again you have to step back from the observation of what's going on in washington now, and remember we're fighting whether or not the top marginal rates should be in the low 30s or not. we should roll back the reagan tax cut but i don't believe in miracles. >> eliot: charles, what you're say something critically important. we're all in a way falling prey to this issue as if they're big...
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tax rates on the wealthy remain the key sticking point between both sides. after a white house meeting tuesday, a bi- partisan group of governors expressed hope that an agreement will be reached soon. experts forecast economic turmoil in january, if a deal is not reached. >> john boehner took a break from the negotiations to help light of the christmas tree. eagle scout, from colorado springs helped out and there is. the crowd in cheers and the u.s. air force played " a christmas tree " and other holiday classics. this is a spruce tree from call rental white river national forest. it has 10,000 lights, ornaments and will be let in each night until the day after christmas. >> we are going to take a look at the golden gate bridge. dry roadways. the bulk of the wet weather is to the north. it is going to pick up in intensity, overnight. it will impact certain areas to more with moderate/heavy downpours. it could try out at night and it looks like that we will have a drying trend with the workweek. taking a look at the stormtracker 4 some pretty widespread rainf
tax rates on the wealthy remain the key sticking point between both sides. after a white house meeting tuesday, a bi- partisan group of governors expressed hope that an agreement will be reached soon. experts forecast economic turmoil in january, if a deal is not reached. >> john boehner took a break from the negotiations to help light of the christmas tree. eagle scout, from colorado springs helped out and there is. the crowd in cheers and the u.s. air force played " a christmas...
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and determined to raise taxes on the rich. it's one thing during the campaign he was specific and consistent on. it seems to me like they are even more upset about what they see his like of specificity on entitlements. let's play what we heard from his chief negotiator, tim geithner yesterday. >> we can't figure out what they need. they have to tell us. then we have to take a look at it and see if it makes sense for the american public. >> when will we see people putting something on the table or is that not going to happen until like the 30th, 31st of the month? >> well, what i would say is in the white house's initial offer they did offer $400 billion in medicare cuts. and that is something that i think the republicans should actually like as a starting point because clearly the white house knows that they are going to have to go up from there. and bob corker the senator from tennessee who was also on "meet the press" yesterday has proposed some legislation that instead cuts $641 million out of medicare. we'll see some scale
and determined to raise taxes on the rich. it's one thing during the campaign he was specific and consistent on. it seems to me like they are even more upset about what they see his like of specificity on entitlements. let's play what we heard from his chief negotiator, tim geithner yesterday. >> we can't figure out what they need. they have to tell us. then we have to take a look at it and see if it makes sense for the american public. >> when will we see people putting something...
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what's going to be certain is taxes are going up. either we go off the cliff or the curb and then taxes rise for everybody and then maybe they get repealed for the middle class and others or we reach a deal and taxes go up for the wealthiest 2% and everybody else breathes a sigh of relief. there's some $2 trillion in cash sitting on the balance sheets of corporate america waiting to be put to work. the reason it hasn't been put to work is because of uncertainty. taxes are going to go up, the deficit is going to be reduced, some of that money is going to be released. just like ed schultz said, this is all very good news for the american economy. >> so basically the uncertainty is what's providing the certainty moving forward because people across the country will look at this and the hand wringing that's taking place in washington, d.c. back and forth. the framework that could come out of this could mean a much better booming economy? >> i think so. what's been holding back the 2d trillion on the sidelines is corporate ceos didn't kno
what's going to be certain is taxes are going up. either we go off the cliff or the curb and then taxes rise for everybody and then maybe they get repealed for the middle class and others or we reach a deal and taxes go up for the wealthiest 2% and everybody else breathes a sigh of relief. there's some $2 trillion in cash sitting on the balance sheets of corporate america waiting to be put to work. the reason it hasn't been put to work is because of uncertainty. taxes are going to go up, the...
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instead of raising tax rates, we can produce a similar amount of revenue reforming the tax code to close loopholes and lower tax rates. >> no, no, no. republicans are not getting the mitt romney tax proposal. time to move on speaker boehner. republicans are furious about the white house proposal. mitch mcconnell told the weekly standard he burst into laughter when he received the deal. the new second ranking republican in the senate john cornyn also disparaged the deal. >> that's a crazy idea. i'm amazed that secretary geithner had the courage to float that yesterday. hence the laughter from senator mcconnell. that's the kind of response it deserves. >> they are laughing in public, but they are panicking behind closed doors. conservative writer matt lewis, writer for "the daily caller", the notion that republicans have leverage is silly. it's the same kind of happy thinking that led to some boldly-predicting a romney victory. he said republicans are so screwed. this is why president obama is playing to his strengths. the president has never had a problem rallying the american people to h
instead of raising tax rates, we can produce a similar amount of revenue reforming the tax code to close loopholes and lower tax rates. >> no, no, no. republicans are not getting the mitt romney tax proposal. time to move on speaker boehner. republicans are furious about the white house proposal. mitch mcconnell told the weekly standard he burst into laughter when he received the deal. the new second ranking republican in the senate john cornyn also disparaged the deal. >> that's a...
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without raising tax rates. >> reporter: and the president today offered this warning to republicans. amid reports they may accept mr. obama's plan to extend tax cuts for most americans while allowing them to go up for the richest, and start the fight all over again during debt limit talks early next year. >> that is a bad strategy for america. it is a bad strategy for your businesses. and it is not a game that i will play. >> reporter: and brian, tonight, the white house is preparing in case the country does go over that fiscal cliff, budget officials have asked all federal agencies for information that they need in case of possible plans in case of those automatic spending cuts that could go in place in just 27 days. >> peter alexander at the white house for us tonight. thank you. >>> and up next, the loss today of a legend in american music. i put away money. i was 21, so i said, "hmm, i want to retire at 55." and before you know it, i'm 58 years old. time went by very fast. it goes by too, too fast. ♪ but i would do it again in a heartbeat. [ laughs ] ♪ ♪ i took my son fishi
without raising tax rates. >> reporter: and the president today offered this warning to republicans. amid reports they may accept mr. obama's plan to extend tax cuts for most americans while allowing them to go up for the richest, and start the fight all over again during debt limit talks early next year. >> that is a bad strategy for america. it is a bad strategy for your businesses. and it is not a game that i will play. >> reporter: and brian, tonight, the white house is...
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we got four bad years of regulation taxes, he wants to add higher taxes to that. tea party two is going to dwarf tea party one if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> there's a doctor strang love. how many republicans will be willing to stand up to that threat. david corn is here to talk about it, the washington bureau chief for mother joins and the author of "47 percent" he's a member of the gridiron society and john feehery is a republican strategist. grover, you're playing defense here. one man elected to nothing. the fact that saxby chambliss comes up, i don't have to live up to some pledge i made 20 years ago and calls up and has grover on the phone going through the transcript of what he said and he's apologizing for each segment as it. what's going on? a senator has to kiss butt to this guy? >> i have known grover for a long time and i like him and he representing -- >> you're afraid of him too. >> i'm not afraid of him. he represents a cause and he's been amazingly successful because taxes have gone down for a long time because of grover. what do we nou becau
we got four bad years of regulation taxes, he wants to add higher taxes to that. tea party two is going to dwarf tea party one if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> there's a doctor strang love. how many republicans will be willing to stand up to that threat. david corn is here to talk about it, the washington bureau chief for mother joins and the author of "47 percent" he's a member of the gridiron society and john feehery is a republican strategist. grover, you're playing...
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low tax small government party. the other party leadership proposes, wait for it, $800 billion in tax increases. it's noted that the democrats have celebrated the proposal put out by president obama. meanwhile, you have a number of republicans slamming speaker boehner. how would you describe his position right now? >> well, he really didn't win for losing. he's trying to say to president obama if i wanted topaz your proposal i can't do it. he's really truly between a deal and promise and getting the fight over with and a conference that won't allow it. i think what senator demint is saying and house republicans are saying to john boehner is, let's go over the cliff. that we can live with the sequester and we absolutely will not raise tax rates no matter what. what that does is eliminate all of the tax cuts and then there's a new fight in january to push obviously by the democrats to restore tax cuts for 98% of americans. and then that will be muddied by the need for a debt ceiling increase and the fight goes in to f
low tax small government party. the other party leadership proposes, wait for it, $800 billion in tax increases. it's noted that the democrats have celebrated the proposal put out by president obama. meanwhile, you have a number of republicans slamming speaker boehner. how would you describe his position right now? >> well, he really didn't win for losing. he's trying to say to president obama if i wanted topaz your proposal i can't do it. he's really truly between a deal and promise and...
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no to taxes. do you any any republicans sent to congress to facilitate the president spending to us oblivion? they no. or they will be sent home. >> president feels like he was elected on a campaign where he mentioned on the stump many times, raising tax rates. >> i understand that. >> but under our system the congress writes the law and president enforces them. if they don't go along with the law that the president wants it won't become the law. then we won't let him borrow more and he can't spend more than what the treasury collects. it's forced to reduce spen spending. that is the only way to get the house in order. >> over the cliff. >> over the cliff. >> juan? >> i hope not. i don't think it's good for most of america. it could be damage for economy struggling to recover. takes us further down the road for what i think is the news of the day. argument over the debt ceiling today. that is one point of the republican lench in the dole. some machiavellian misstep made. he wanted the democrats to
no to taxes. do you any any republicans sent to congress to facilitate the president spending to us oblivion? they no. or they will be sent home. >> president feels like he was elected on a campaign where he mentioned on the stump many times, raising tax rates. >> i understand that. >> but under our system the congress writes the law and president enforces them. if they don't go along with the law that the president wants it won't become the law. then we won't let him borrow...
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they say it calls for, for one thing, $1.6 trillion in new tax hikes over a decade. it is also stimulus spending and the spending cuts. both sides are necessary to reduce the deficit. those the president would largely tackle later perhaps next year. >> first despite the claims that the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. listen, this is not a game. jobs are on the line. the american economy is on the line and this is a moment for adult leadership. >> perhaps most su prirprising the white house proposal to get the president just about unlimited power to raise the nation's debt sealiceiling and w more and more money unless they reject. these will be tough negotiations ahead. we got a little sample of this yesterday from senate majority leader talking to john boehner. >> i don't understand his brain. you should ask him. >> not much time to get this done. the president meantime flies to penns
they say it calls for, for one thing, $1.6 trillion in new tax hikes over a decade. it is also stimulus spending and the spending cuts. both sides are necessary to reduce the deficit. those the president would largely tackle later perhaps next year. >> first despite the claims that the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last...
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why double tax capital? anyway, thank you, danielle hughes, we appreciate it. >>> there is a major stir tonight over a cartoon narrated by actor ed asner. check it out. >> over time, rich people decided they weren't rich enough, so they came up with ways to get richer. the first way was to tax cuts. they said why should i care about other nonrich people? >> all right, this here is just an attack on free enterprise. shame on mr. asner, who's a good actor. it's an attack on success. it's an attack on capital itch. it's also an attack on good taste, although we didn't show the most vulgar part. where does a successful actor like this get off saying this kind of thing? what does he know about capitalism anyway as he makes his bucks, and by the way, this entire cartoon was sponsored by the teachers union. what a shocking surprise there. they, too, higher taxes on the rich, knock down free market capitalism, go up against free enterprise. you know, when is this left wing stuff going to end? i guess the answer is n
why double tax capital? anyway, thank you, danielle hughes, we appreciate it. >>> there is a major stir tonight over a cartoon narrated by actor ed asner. check it out. >> over time, rich people decided they weren't rich enough, so they came up with ways to get richer. the first way was to tax cuts. they said why should i care about other nonrich people? >> all right, this here is just an attack on free enterprise. shame on mr. asner, who's a good actor. it's an attack on...
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we don't want to put both tax increases and entitlement cuts on the table. it's up to republicans and we'll come back with a counter. you can't force us to put an opening bid on entitlement cuts when we don't want any to begin with. and that's the movement. so i think even in public there's starting to be a little bit of moving and i think there is the ability for folks to get there. >> we do know pretty clearly i think that the white house thinks they have the upper hand. here is the president from his event yesterday. >> today i'm asking congress to listen to the people who sent us here to serve. i'm asking americans all across the country to make your voice heard. tell members of congress what a $2,000 tax hike would mean to you. >> so he's got his outreach to middle class americans. we saw him meeting with business leaders. his event is planned for tomorrow. we campaign-like and he is still using the campaign actually, more than a million people responded to that survey that obama for america put out and said they're interested in volunteering. so is par
we don't want to put both tax increases and entitlement cuts on the table. it's up to republicans and we'll come back with a counter. you can't force us to put an opening bid on entitlement cuts when we don't want any to begin with. and that's the movement. so i think even in public there's starting to be a little bit of moving and i think there is the ability for folks to get there. >> we do know pretty clearly i think that the white house thinks they have the upper hand. here is the...
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you may lose the tax deduction there. that will definitely hit the top percent of americans, and that's a concern because it's a lot of small business owners. >> let's talk about the other immensely popular deduction, and this is the mortgage deduction. >> this is a heated one. this is very heated. here's the thing. if you're looking at your interest that you're paying, up to a million dollars of that is deductible. second homes, the interest is deductible. home equity loans, the interest is deductedible. now, that's been around since the teens. the ability to do that. so here's the thing, though. only one in four homeowners actually take this deduction. >> really? >> yes. right. people aren't really surprised because most homeowners actually don't necessarily qualify for it because they don't pay enough in interest. >> or they don't itemize? >> they don't itemize, exactly. so at least 25% to 30% of those folks, however, make less than $100,000. so these folks will get very hit by this. if they can phase it in, that will
you may lose the tax deduction there. that will definitely hit the top percent of americans, and that's a concern because it's a lot of small business owners. >> let's talk about the other immensely popular deduction, and this is the mortgage deduction. >> this is a heated one. this is very heated. here's the thing. if you're looking at your interest that you're paying, up to a million dollars of that is deductible. second homes, the interest is deductible. home equity loans, the...
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the president has been very specific on tax revenues and what he wants. but the republicans are trying to put him in a position of doing their job for them. saying well, you tell us what you'll take and then maybe we'll come up with a plan. and clearly obama's not going to play that game. that's what geithner was signaling in the talk shows, that we're waiting for your proposal on entitlements, tell us what it is. >> look, therein lies the rub. that's the rub on this. because you led in with the president's speech in 2011. very good words, serious, somber. >> words that did not play well for the republicans. >> got that. but this is where the republicans are. okay. show me you're serious. lay out where you're beginning to want to make those cuts on entitlements. because we don't want to get out in front of this and be whipped upside the head for wanting to cut all these programs to, you know, kids afterschool and rec centers. >> the white house needs to present what they're -- >> the reality, yeah. that's it. on entitlements, the republicans view is we've
the president has been very specific on tax revenues and what he wants. but the republicans are trying to put him in a position of doing their job for them. saying well, you tell us what you'll take and then maybe we'll come up with a plan. and clearly obama's not going to play that game. that's what geithner was signaling in the talk shows, that we're waiting for your proposal on entitlements, tell us what it is. >> look, therein lies the rub. that's the rub on this. because you led in...
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we can produce a similar amount of revenue reforming the tax code to close loop holes and lower tax rates. that is far better for the economy than the american people actually favor that approach by two to one. they favor even more when we can also show them that real spending cuts will in fact reduce the deficit. now, there have been many conversations of years that cou inform a solution. i hope the president will draw from those discussions and work with both parties to find common ground. solving the fiscal cliff in a manner that addresses the true drivers of our debt and saves american jobs will be a great way for the president to start his second term. for the good of our country and my colleagues, we're ready to work with the president to achieve those goals. >> on the issue of tax rates, are you willing to accept no deal that includes some increase in those top tax rates? i'm also wondering, what the final deadline is? when do you really have to have a deal or framework? >> increasing tax rates draws money away from our economy that needs to be invested in our economy to put the am
we can produce a similar amount of revenue reforming the tax code to close loop holes and lower tax rates. that is far better for the economy than the american people actually favor that approach by two to one. they favor even more when we can also show them that real spending cuts will in fact reduce the deficit. now, there have been many conversations of years that cou inform a solution. i hope the president will draw from those discussions and work with both parties to find common ground....
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on the middle class, tax the rich more. there were even calls in that room for higher minimum wages. clearly, no one wants to cut out the safety net that working people are promised for their lives of diligence, using their brains and brawn to build our country. >> mr. prince, republicans claim that the president's plan is bad for small business. why do you think they are wrong? >> let me tell you. the president's plans so far have helped my business. from 2008 to 2011, things were very flat. sales were flat or even down. as the stimulus started to kick in, we started seeing month to month, every month sense late 2010, our sales go up. it is consumers having more can have dense, having more money. obama care was huge. i provide health insurance for all my employees. the aca is underwriting small businesses doing that helped me absorb a huge increase because i have a couple of folks who work for me who are going through some illness problems. >> lee saunders, your members of afscme, will be financially hurt if we go over the
on the middle class, tax the rich more. there were even calls in that room for higher minimum wages. clearly, no one wants to cut out the safety net that working people are promised for their lives of diligence, using their brains and brawn to build our country. >> mr. prince, republicans claim that the president's plan is bad for small business. why do you think they are wrong? >> let me tell you. the president's plans so far have helped my business. from 2008 to 2011, things were...
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. >> we shall not raise taxes in this country. we do not have a revenue problem. i would like senator mcconnell to recognize that the washington leaders are like a bunch of crack addicts. they need evermore money for evermore growing government and it is at the expense of the ordinary citizen that they pursue these policies. >> reporter: but the brighter those lines are drawn, the harder it will be to get a deal. owen williams worked more than 20 years on wall street. now he runs a small college here that sits on the board of the henry clay center for statesmanship. the way to a solution, he says, is for both sides to have a voice. >> both have taken the attitude that it's my way or the highway. and americans recognize that that's just not the way things typically get done in this country. and if we continue along that line, we will go over the fiscal cliff and who knows what the abyss beyond it will be like. >> reporter: the united states senate's always valued its reputation as the world's greatest deliberative body set apart fr
. >> we shall not raise taxes in this country. we do not have a revenue problem. i would like senator mcconnell to recognize that the washington leaders are like a bunch of crack addicts. they need evermore money for evermore growing government and it is at the expense of the ordinary citizen that they pursue these policies. >> reporter: but the brighter those lines are drawn, the harder it will be to get a deal. owen williams worked more than 20 years on wall street. now he runs a...
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>> well, don't tax you, don't tax me, tax the guy behind the tree. >> paul: russell long, former late senator. >> exactly. and what you see here are very wealthy people who can, you know, engineer ways to avoid taxes, meanwhile, what he's-- the medicine he's suggesting for people who are starting to do better, people who say, make $200,000, maybe working their whole life. they're the ones who are going to get hit with the obama taxes and really, i mean, you look at that and you think a normal human being with, you know, would be ashamed of that lack of intellectual honesty, should be. >> it's fascinating economic dri that costco is borrowing the money to pay this dividend. now, usually when companies pay dividends, it's out of earnings, right? >> yes, retained earnings, in this case, they're borrowing, taking on more debt, not to invest in the business in the future growth, but for a one-time equity pay out. >> and to worry about interest rates are low thanks to ben bernanke. >>, but this shows the tax rates combined with very low bore heing costs and instead of investing in growth, y
>> well, don't tax you, don't tax me, tax the guy behind the tree. >> paul: russell long, former late senator. >> exactly. and what you see here are very wealthy people who can, you know, engineer ways to avoid taxes, meanwhile, what he's-- the medicine he's suggesting for people who are starting to do better, people who say, make $200,000, maybe working their whole life. they're the ones who are going to get hit with the obama taxes and really, i mean, you look at that and...
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democrats bet republicans cave on taxes. how confident are democrats that they're going to win this thing, they'll make this happen. >> they feel like this looks like the 2011 payroll tax. remember at the time house republicans were not going to pass that extension to that payroll tax holiday, but they felt boxed in at the end of the day and they eventually had to do what the president wanted. democrats believe that they have the issue here, they have a bill that passed out of the senate. they think the house will adopt it. the republicans say there is just no way that's going to happen, that in order to get any sort of deal on revenue, democrats have to -- >>> have a fantastic weekend, gentlemen. coming up, we're following developing news from the supreme court where we're waiting to hear if the high court takes up several major challenges to same-sex marriage. plus -- >> i was positioning is that the right newspapers, is that the right numbers. and i was shaking. and i called my husband and i said i think i'm having a hear
democrats bet republicans cave on taxes. how confident are democrats that they're going to win this thing, they'll make this happen. >> they feel like this looks like the 2011 payroll tax. remember at the time house republicans were not going to pass that extension to that payroll tax holiday, but they felt boxed in at the end of the day and they eventually had to do what the president wanted. democrats believe that they have the issue here, they have a bill that passed out of the senate....
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tonight's question, will radical republicans ever agree to a tax hike deal? text "a" for yes and text "b" for no to 622639. you can always go to our blog and leave a comment. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. >>> joining me tonight, congressman steny hoyer of maryland, the house democratic whip. congressman, good to have you with us tonight. appreciate it. >> always good to be with you, ed. thanks. >> got some folks nervous talking about entitlements. when you say entitlement cuts are on the table, what does that mean and how far are you willing to go? >> well, when i say everything needs to be on the table, ed, i want everybody to put their cards on the table and tell me what they want to do. i want not only to see that myself, i want to see what others want to do, including my republican colleagues, in terms of entitlements. now, there are some things we are absolutely not going to do, as you well know. made it very clear during the election, we're not going to voucherize medicare. we're not going to privatize security. we believe very stron
tonight's question, will radical republicans ever agree to a tax hike deal? text "a" for yes and text "b" for no to 622639. you can always go to our blog and leave a comment. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. >>> joining me tonight, congressman steny hoyer of maryland, the house democratic whip. congressman, good to have you with us tonight. appreciate it. >> always good to be with you, ed. thanks. >> got some folks nervous talking about...
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all of the tax rates expire december 31st and we can deal with the tax breaks for the wealthiest most fortunate americans and others to avoid the fiscal cliff between now and december 31st but take what we agree on which is that the middle class tax cuts should be extended and tax rates should not go up for the middle class, let's do that now. the republicans refuse to do that thus far, which is sort of baffling. even some of their senior members like tom cole from oklahoma have said let's take that deal, but let's pass the tax cuts for the middle class and we're talking about making sure that tax rates for 98% of all americans and 97% of all businesses. it's a small percentage of individuals that make more than $250,000 a year that tax rates would go up just a little bit. we had an election, thomas, where americans had a clear choice and they chose and we need to make sure that we think a balanced approach that is fair, that doesn't throw the middle class under the bus and that works mathematically. so far what we've seen from republicans in the house does not work in terms of reduci
all of the tax rates expire december 31st and we can deal with the tax breaks for the wealthiest most fortunate americans and others to avoid the fiscal cliff between now and december 31st but take what we agree on which is that the middle class tax cuts should be extended and tax rates should not go up for the middle class, let's do that now. the republicans refuse to do that thus far, which is sort of baffling. even some of their senior members like tom cole from oklahoma have said let's take...
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a tax cut delayed i argue is a tax cut avoided. joining me with the republican defense highly tauted fan of the eagles, ed rendell and alex wagner of msnbc's "now." governor, i want you to read what's going on here. first speaker boehner defended the gop's tax proposal saying it does take a bite out of the rich but president obama held firm to tax rate hike on the wealthiest. let's listen to the back and forth. >> revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes. but not in any way that's going to affect your spending, your lifestyles, or the economy in any significant way. let's make sure that 98% of americans don't see it -- a single dime in tax increases next year. >> so, john boehner, the speaker for the republican party in
a tax cut delayed i argue is a tax cut avoided. joining me with the republican defense highly tauted fan of the eagles, ed rendell and alex wagner of msnbc's "now." governor, i want you to read what's going on here. first speaker boehner defended the gop's tax proposal saying it does take a bite out of the rich but president obama held firm to tax rate hike on the wealthiest. let's listen to the back and forth. >> revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess...
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we can live with a little tax increase. we're loaded up here. just move on and don't screw up the economy because we'll lose a lot more money if this market crashes to a second great recession. >> chris, i think to some extent the market has priced in the notion we would go over the fiscal cliff -- >> you're wrong. no. everybody -- who you talking to? i keep talking to people and they -- who you talking to? >> i actually spoke with a source the other day who is in washington, he's an attorney, who said, listen -- >> a lawyer? >> a lawyer but speaks to a lot of folks that are wall street type who says the market could take it for a couple of weeks. >> the cake is baked and they think the intelligence of politicians is up to this challenge. >> but wall street doesn't really have a lot of faith in this process to be able to get done. they have priced in just a little bit that this could happen for a while. maybe not for months, but you wouldn't see the market necessarily crash like the next day. you'd have time. i think if they came back on january
we can live with a little tax increase. we're loaded up here. just move on and don't screw up the economy because we'll lose a lot more money if this market crashes to a second great recession. >> chris, i think to some extent the market has priced in the notion we would go over the fiscal cliff -- >> you're wrong. no. everybody -- who you talking to? i keep talking to people and they -- who you talking to? >> i actually spoke with a source the other day who is in washington,...
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the vote in front of them is going to be to cut taxes. taxes will rise anyway. the bush tax cuts will expire. then they'll bring in legislation saying let's cut taxes for the middle class and every republican out there including john boehner will say i voted for a tax cut, not a tax hike. >> well, here's tom cole speaking with chuck todd about cole's advice to pass the tax extensions for 98% of americans. here it is. rather comical. >> that advice was given in private, but you guys have a way of figuring out what? said in private. somebody leaked it out. that's fine. >> you didn't intend for this to go public? >> no. >> you did not -- this is something you were -- okay. >> but, again, it is what i said. it's not an inaccurate report. >> i mean, did republican leaders want cole's advice to be leaked? >> of course they did. i mean, and if they didn't want it to be leaked, they wanted it to be repeated. so john boehner has wiggle room. he can look like he's the tough guy to the tea party folks who have to vote him back in as speaker. tom cole is really laying out t
the vote in front of them is going to be to cut taxes. taxes will rise anyway. the bush tax cuts will expire. then they'll bring in legislation saying let's cut taxes for the middle class and every republican out there including john boehner will say i voted for a tax cut, not a tax hike. >> well, here's tom cole speaking with chuck todd about cole's advice to pass the tax extensions for 98% of americans. here it is. rather comical. >> that advice was given in private, but you guys...
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that would be tax-free income. that would be a way of tax avoidance. there are some legitimate worries about debt forgiveness. i think there is a logic to doing it forever. as long as you are sure it is a city with a decline in property value and losing the home, it is not really tax evasion. why did they do it for five years? we have a political department that might be better at answering that. host: what was the housing market like in the 2007? make a comparison of what was going on in 2007 and what is happening now. guest: it was beginning to tank. values peaked around 2006 and in some places 2007. it is the year we began to see the foreclosures and the problems with a sub prime mortgages. the context was, we were not in a recession yet. it was not like 2007 -- 2008 when everyone had a problem. in 2007 it was clear there were going to be a lot of defaults and this was potentially a problem. this tool can be an efficient way of handling what would otherwise be expensive foreclosures. host: we want to make sure the viewers understand what we are talk
that would be tax-free income. that would be a way of tax avoidance. there are some legitimate worries about debt forgiveness. i think there is a logic to doing it forever. as long as you are sure it is a city with a decline in property value and losing the home, it is not really tax evasion. why did they do it for five years? we have a political department that might be better at answering that. host: what was the housing market like in the 2007? make a comparison of what was going on in 2007...
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the revenue proposals are $1.6 trillion in revenue and tax increases. it's a massive tax increase. but also not significant and meaningful in entitlement reforms. >> so, anna, i hear comments like those and remarks by john boehner and the president of the united states and i wonder after the election, did we learn anything? because i -- my reading on the election was that the people, the voters wanted compromise. and for the people in washington to talk to each other not at each other. that still appears to be what they're doing, no? >> i think right after the election that was the message that even president obama and john boehner and the entire leadership, we saw that incredible image of the minority and majority leaders on both houses come out saying things that sounded like they were going to cooperate. but, you know, only in washington can that mean nothing quickly. but i do think, look, let's put this in perspective. we have a game of chicken going on here with a lot of posturing. there's 30 days to get this done, which for washington time it's like dog years. it's an eternit
the revenue proposals are $1.6 trillion in revenue and tax increases. it's a massive tax increase. but also not significant and meaningful in entitlement reforms. >> so, anna, i hear comments like those and remarks by john boehner and the president of the united states and i wonder after the election, did we learn anything? because i -- my reading on the election was that the people, the voters wanted compromise. and for the people in washington to talk to each other not at each other....
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taxes were going to go up across the board. we did what we could do and the president wouldn't let us do more. but i also think that president obama sees a real percentage for him in getting republicans to cross the line of agreeing to a rate increase. and that's why i think he's pushing so hard on this. i think most economists would agree that there is often more advantages in capping deductions than in just going for the rates, but i think there's a real political advantage for democrats looking ahead to battle after battle that we'll face down the road in getting republicans to cross that red line. it's sort of a scout, you might say. >> thank you both very much. >>> the united states opposed today's u.n. vote on the palestinian observer state. senator bob menendez saying it could inflame passions throughout the region. welcome to you, senator. >> good to be with you. >> explain to me why you feel so strongly that the palestinians shouldn't have been granted today this nonmember observer state status. >> well, what we announ
taxes were going to go up across the board. we did what we could do and the president wouldn't let us do more. but i also think that president obama sees a real percentage for him in getting republicans to cross the line of agreeing to a rate increase. and that's why i think he's pushing so hard on this. i think most economists would agree that there is often more advantages in capping deductions than in just going for the rates, but i think there's a real political advantage for democrats...
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you said he should propose lowering the corporate tax rate from 35% to 30%. what's your rationale behind that? >> well i have rationales both substantive and political. substantive, i think it is the right thing to do. i've spoken to a lot of economists about this over the years. even many liberal economists would agree that the corporate tax rate of 35% in this country is too high. it is higher than in most other -- i think every other advanced country. now it has to be done, obviously, the lowering would have to be done with closing loot of the loopholes that corporations take advantage of. 26 major corporations last year paid no federal income tax at all. so that nonsense has to be done away with. but substantively, many economists think it is a good idea to lower the corporate tax rate. politically, i think it further hems the republicans in. i think it gives obama even higher political ground than he has now. he already has political high ground. he already has a strong position. he may not even have to do this politically. but i think that this would se
you said he should propose lowering the corporate tax rate from 35% to 30%. what's your rationale behind that? >> well i have rationales both substantive and political. substantive, i think it is the right thing to do. i've spoken to a lot of economists about this over the years. even many liberal economists would agree that the corporate tax rate of 35% in this country is too high. it is higher than in most other -- i think every other advanced country. now it has to be done, obviously,...